tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post2286837107208502010..comments2024-01-05T21:16:21.892+08:00Comments on Bittermelon 苦中作樂: 招聘國內內審人員何其難也bittermelonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15057938126377984688noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post-61907223351693359312009-02-17T16:55:00.000+08:002009-02-17T16:55:00.000+08:00我所認識的VFM及green audit只是皮毛,既然大家有興趣,下次試寫一下. :)我所認識的VFM及green audit只是皮毛,既然大家有興趣,下次試寫一下. :)bittermelonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15057938126377984688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post-41998315751365209062009-02-17T16:42:00.000+08:002009-02-17T16:42:00.000+08:00國內招工果然與我們一樣的難題!! 但太多公司太短視, 不能給機會給fresh grad 培訓, 但同...國內招工果然與我們一樣的難題!! 但太多公司太短視, 不能給機會給fresh grad 培訓, 但同意你對香港同事的看法, 他們另一個好處是若你對他不算差, 都冇咁易走... (因為佢地人工已經唔平, 出去可找空間好少)<BR/><BR/>我也很有興趣知道VFM 及 green audit 多一點, 如蒙Bittermelon兄有空, 可女戈0以指教一下我們, 先行謝過!<BR/><BR/>JimmyWYJIMMYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02667032798678442822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post-80180377885480696032009-02-17T14:20:00.000+08:002009-02-17T14:20:00.000+08:00我也要謝謝你的支持. 如果再有其他問題, 請發個email給我, 或上 www.discuss.co...我也要謝謝你的支持. 如果再有其他問題, 請發個email給我, 或上 www.discuss.com.hk 留一個PM給我也成. 謝謝!bittermelonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15057938126377984688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post-3429906251599585232009-02-17T14:10:00.000+08:002009-02-17T14:10:00.000+08:00thanks for your info! =]add oil on your blog! it's...thanks for your info! =]<BR/><BR/>add oil on your blog! it's very good!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post-19383344706289305572009-02-17T13:20:00.000+08:002009-02-17T13:20:00.000+08:00OIC. 至於green audit, 雖然我有一些經驗,但我所知的不多,而且也不知道是否與你所說的...OIC. 至於green audit, 雖然我有一些經驗,但我所知的不多,而且也不知道是否與你所說的是否相同。<BR/>我曾在一間美資公司做內審,由於business nature 關係,對environmental protection方面有嚴格的規定,我們做內審的也要不時做這一方面的review,不過不會單看enviromental,還會看Health and safty,行內叫這種audit 做 EHS(Environmental, Health & Safty) audit. 由於不同地方有不同的法例,所以要做的話要找一位這方面的expert幫手. 另外,最好去參加一下ISO14000的培訓,對EHS audit會有一定的幫助。不過要注意一點,因法例的不同,如果想在香港做green audit,就要參加香港的ISO14000培訓,想在國內的就要參加國內的ISO培訓。bittermelonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15057938126377984688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post-27359590820440779262009-02-17T12:07:00.000+08:002009-02-17T12:07:00.000+08:00yes i would like to switch to public sector, so i ...yes i would like to switch to public sector, so i would like to know more first =] thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post-4966648192887706692009-02-17T12:01:00.000+08:002009-02-17T12:01:00.000+08:00看來你對public sector 的 IA 十分之有興趣, 你也是從事 IA 的嗎?看來你對public sector 的 IA 十分之有興趣, 你也是從事 IA 的嗎?bittermelonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15057938126377984688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post-58891809274069996772009-02-17T11:50:00.000+08:002009-02-17T11:50:00.000+08:00Thanks! Also, I've read about environmental report...Thanks! Also, I've read about environmental reports (aka green audit). Who'd do it, and what's it like?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post-26217919780459687552009-02-17T11:47:00.000+08:002009-02-17T11:47:00.000+08:00至於開新topic講NGO的ia,因我不太熟識,先讓我跟那位好友談一談,或者要求他寫一篇和大家分享吧...至於開新topic講NGO的ia,因我不太熟識,先讓我跟那位好友談一談,或者要求他寫一篇和大家分享吧.bittermelonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15057938126377984688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post-71507637008798705292009-02-17T11:44:00.000+08:002009-02-17T11:44:00.000+08:00VFM audit program 要因應auditee的情況來tailor-made,所以stan...VFM audit program 要因應auditee的情況來tailor-made,所以standard templates 未必適合,不過如果你想參考一下,你可以到 auditnet 找一找,在《Internal Auditor's resource》一文中有相關的連結。另外,Auditor General of Canada曾出版過一本VFM audit manual,你可以利用以下的連結下載。<BR/>http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/Collection/FA3-30-2000E.pdfbittermelonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15057938126377984688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post-43552769718859311582009-02-17T10:50:00.000+08:002009-02-17T10:50:00.000+08:00Do you know where to look for audit program sample...Do you know where to look for audit program samples on VFM audit?<BR/><BR/>Also, since you've got a friend in NGO, it'll be great if you can open a topic and share some experience on IA in NGO. Thanks!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post-23610814588070900172009-02-17T10:18:00.000+08:002009-02-17T10:18:00.000+08:00內審主要分三個fields, 在《甚麼是內部審計 (Internal Audit)》一文中有簡單的介...內審主要分三個fields, 在《甚麼是內部審計 (Internal Audit)》一文中有簡單的介紹。Government及NGO IA可以歸納為Public sector, 工作性質和Commerical IA一樣, 最大分別是public sector IA較著重VFM audit. 兩者的文化及working style是否不同? 其實不論commerical及public sector與否,不同公司或機構的文化及working style都一會相同,所以很難一慨而論. 至於risky areas, public sector是一個駛錢的地方,所以risky areas會包括purchasing, treasury(還要包括idle fund 的投資策略及收益)及payment functions. 還有一個是project management. 我對他們的audit objective的見解只有一句話, "花費的金錢是否物有所值,物盡其用"。bittermelonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15057938126377984688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post-26321728248269284632009-02-17T09:47:00.000+08:002009-02-17T09:47:00.000+08:00Is the nature in government/ngo quite different fr...Is the nature in government/ngo quite different from commercial? Is the culture and working style quite different too? In general, what's the risky areas?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post-20285060835413264902009-02-17T08:32:00.000+08:002009-02-17T08:32:00.000+08:00其實早已看開了,我自己在年輕時不是跟他們一樣嗎? 前世的孽,今世的果,報應啊呀.....其實早已看開了,我自己在年輕時不是跟他們一樣嗎? 前世的孽,今世的果,報應啊呀.....bittermelonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15057938126377984688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post-84574491705262806192009-02-17T01:23:00.000+08:002009-02-17T01:23:00.000+08:00看開一點吧!麥記甚至鼓勵員工做夠兩年轉工:反正流失是必然,不如搞好關係,將自己alumni遍佈各行令...看開一點吧!麥記甚至鼓勵員工做夠兩年轉工:反正流失是必然,不如搞好關係,將自己alumni遍佈各行令自己得益!若缺齋老人https://www.blogger.com/profile/17734252599025143085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post-65468939353231328872009-02-16T17:57:00.000+08:002009-02-16T17:57:00.000+08:00根據我了解,Government's IA所做的Regulatory audit其實是financi...根據我了解,Government's IA所做的Regulatory audit其實是financial audit. 至於 Non-profit organization 我未做過, 不過有朋友曾在NGO做過IA,你有什麼想知道的? 我可以問一問他.bittermelonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15057938126377984688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post-9917121430002083082009-02-16T17:11:00.000+08:002009-02-16T17:11:00.000+08:00Thanks! It's great to know that you'd spend more t...Thanks! It's great to know that you'd spend more time on writing about VFM audit! <BR/><BR/>Bty, how about maintenance (regulatory) audit? And any experience in non-profit organization's audit?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post-11368119441958068962009-02-16T17:04:00.000+08:002009-02-16T17:04:00.000+08:00VFM是內審的最高層次,簡單來說,一般的operational audit只會考慮control是否...VFM是內審的最高層次,簡單來說,一般的operational audit只會考慮control是否effectiveness, 而VFM則考慮機關所花的一分一毫是否物有所值(i.e. effectiveness, economy and efficiency)。除了VFM外,政府的內審還要做financial audit. 例如HKSAR的Audit commission及UK的National Audit Office. Internet上有很多關於VFM的資料,遲些我會post出來讓有興趣的朋友分享. 有興趣的可以先看看HKSAR Audit Commission的VFM reports, 他們的reports質素很高 (http://www.aud.gov.hk/eng/pubpr_arpt/rpt.htm)bittermelonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15057938126377984688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post-66072348729894086052009-02-16T15:30:00.000+08:002009-02-16T15:30:00.000+08:00Do you have any information on Value for money aud...Do you have any information on Value for money audit or maintenance (regulatory) audit that you can share with us?<BR/><BR/>What's IA in Non-profit organization/government like?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post-77520079381190007062009-02-16T12:00:00.000+08:002009-02-16T12:00:00.000+08:00你說得對,當他們有"毛有翼後",要走的始終要走,勉強留下對大家也不是好事。你說得對,當他們有"毛有翼後",要走的始終要走,勉強留下對大家也不是好事。bittermelonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15057938126377984688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post-56098017350068621592009-02-16T10:20:00.000+08:002009-02-16T10:20:00.000+08:00錢當然是一個問題,但我想權更是一大吸引吧。留下來是可以估計的前景,轉公司可能有更大自主權,更大又不可...錢當然是一個問題,但我想權更是一大吸引吧。<BR/>留下來是可以估計的前景,轉公司可能有更大自主權,更大又不可知的發展空間。Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post-26011685207378900972009-02-16T10:07:00.000+08:002009-02-16T10:07:00.000+08:00問題正是你所講的,一年幾千元地增加是不可能的,但為了留下好的同事,其實我已預留了budget讓他們升...問題正是你所講的,一年幾千元地增加是不可能的,但為了留下好的同事,其實我已預留了budget讓他們升遷,始終他們的工資較香港平,公司容許我在國內可以同時有多位Supervisor及超過兩名的Assistant Manager甚至Manager.但外面世界始終多采多姿,吸引好大.bittermelonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15057938126377984688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4425878502991016229.post-43021650053419463832009-02-16T09:59:00.000+08:002009-02-16T09:59:00.000+08:00我覺得國內同事轉職其實都算可以理解! 你一天還在公司,他們永遠都是坐在同一位置。但要如CPA FIR...我覺得國內同事轉職其實都算可以理解! 你一天還在公司,他們永遠都是坐在同一位置。但要如CPA FIRM一樣,一年幾千元地增加,那是不可能的。當IN-HOUSE IA與PROFESSIONAL FIRM 工資及升遷速度真是無可比擬的。Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com